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Gonzales interrogated on use of torture in day-long hearing

WASHINGTON—Alberto Gonzales repudiated the use of torture at his hearing to be attorney general Thursday, but several senators chastised him for helping to permit the harsh interrogation of detainees in the war on terrorism.

Gonzales also asserted that a president has the authority to sidestep laws and treaties and authorize torture in the future, though he downplayed that possibility as "hypothetical."

During a day-long grilling by the Senate Judiciary Committee that was contentious but polite, Gonzales calmly defended his role as President Bush's White House counsel and adviser. A fiercely loyal confidant of Bush from Texas, Gonzales is expected to be confirmed as the nation's first Hispanic attorney general, to replace John Ashcroft.

Gonzales said he was ready for that transition: "I will no longer represent only the White House, I will represent the United States and its people. I understand the differences between the two roles."

Several senators, including one Republican, criticized Gonzales for a series of memos in 2002 that he either authored or asked for that deprived some prisoners of Geneva Convention protections and sought to shield U.S. officials legally for using coercive interrogation tactics.

Several senators said those policies created confusion in the military, contributed to the Abu Ghraib prison scandal and other abuses and seriously weakened U.S. standing in the world.

"I do believe we have lost our way," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., a former military prosecutor. He called the prison camp at the U.S. naval base at Cuba's Guantanamo Bay "legal chaos" and warned that bad policies were "putting our troops in jeopardy."

"The world is watching us," said Graham, a member of the Air Force Reserve. "We've dramatically undermined the war effort by getting on the slippery slope in terms of playing cute with the law, because it's come back to bite us."

But Graham also said Gonzales was a good lawyer and that he planned to vote for him. No members of the committee said they'd oppose him, and the only Hispanic Democrat in the Senate, Ken Salazar of Colorado, warmly introduced him to the committee.

Referring to the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuses, Gonzales promised: "Torture and abuse will not be tolerated by this administration, and I commit to you that, if confirmed, I will ensure that the Department of Justice aggressively pursues those responsible for such abhorrent actions."

But he didn't back away from his 2002 memo that helped persuade Bush to withhold Geneva Convention protections from Taliban and al-Qaida fighters captured in Afghanistan. And he said he didn't disagree with some of the legal arguments in another memo that year narrowly defining torture and giving U.S. forces wide latitude in how they treated captives.

That controversial 50-page memo that Gonzales requested from the Justice Department became the basis for interrogation policies for two years, from Guantanamo Bay to Iraq, until it was leaked last spring and disavowed. A new memo that restricts harsh tactics was issued last week.

Several senators said the 2002 memos reflected bad legal judgment, and they pointed to other examples. They noted that Gonzales had argued that American citizens could be held without charge as enemy combatants and that Guantanamo would be outside the authority of U.S. law, positions that the Supreme Court later struck down.

"This hearing is not about your intelligence, your competence, your integrity," said Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del. "It's about your judgment and candor."

Gonzales told senators the administration was "absolutely committed" to treating all prisoners humanely and investigating any abuses. He cited eight investigations after Abu Ghraib and court-martial trials of those involved in the scandal, and denied any connection between the 2002 memos and later abuses.

When Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., asked whether "U.S. personnel can engage in torture in any circumstances," the White House counsel hesitated.

"I don't believe so," he said, citing anti-torture laws and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which prohibits abusing prisoners.

Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., the new committee chairman, asked a series of questions about torture, and Gonzales denounced the practice. When Specter asked whether he condemned "similar techniques" at Guantanamo, however, Gonzales paused.

"I'm not sure which specific techniques you're referring to, but there is a range of conduct that would be in clear violation of our legal obligations," he said.

The Senate hearing room was packed with Gonzales' supporters, critics and the curious. About a dozen veterans wearing VFW caps and "veterans against torture" buttons said they had doubts about Gonzales.

Specter welcomed Gonzales, 49, as having a "Horatio Alger" story: A Mexican-American who grew up in Humble, Texas, the son of migrant workers, and rose to Harvard Law School, a top Houston law firm and then the White House.

A former Texas Supreme Court justice, Gonzales was quizzed on a range of other issues, from immigration policies and the Patriot Act, which expanded police powers after Sept. 11, to clemency memos he wrote for Bush when Bush was governor.

Gonzales pledged to protect civil rights and civil liberties and to pursue corporate fraud.

The committee also heard from three critics of the White House counsel: John Hutson, a former Navy judge advocate general; Harold Koh, a former assistant secretary of state; and Douglas Johnson, the director of the Center for Victims of Torture in Minneapolis.

Hutson said the 2002 memos on detention and interrogation reflected desperation and panic over another possible terrorist attack and ignored history.

"Who thought this was the single most important, awful war, past or future, and that that justified throwing out all the rules that good people had defended over the years, all for the sake of ill-advised expediency?" Hutson asked.


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